"Men! Can’t live with ‘em, can’t shoot ‘em!"
Description: Personal opinion expressed by Leslie Hunter (Ally Sheedy) to her friends in the motion picture St. Elmo's Fire (1985).
"Jules, y'know, honey... this isn't real. You know what it is? It's St. Elmo's Fire. Electric flashes of light that appear in dark skies out of nowhere. Sailors would guide entire journeys by it, but the joke was on them... there was no fire. There wasn't even a St. Elmo. They made it up. They made it up because they thought they needed it to keep them going when times got tough, just like you're making up all of this. We're all going through this. It's our time at the edge." - Billy [consoles Jules who is in financial trouble]
The film is a relationship study of seven mostly self-centered college students who recently graduated from Georgetown University and hang out at St. Elmo's Bar where they discuss their struggles with adulthood. The group includes:
- Emilio Estevez as Kirby "Kirbo" Keager, an aspring lawyer who works as a waiter at St. Elmo's Bar. Kirby is now attracted to Dale Biberman (Andie MacDowell), a slightly older hospital intern whom he once dated in college.
- Andrew McCarthy as Kevin Dolenz, a struggling writer. Kirby is his roommate.
- Rob Lowe as Billy Hicks, a "frat boy" and father who despite his family obligations still likes to fool around outside of his marriage.
- Judd Nelson as Alec Newbury, a yuppie who aspires to a career in politics.
- Ally Sheedy as Leslie Hunter, another yuppie, who wants to be an architect. She lives with Alec who can't decide if he wants to be a Democrat or Republican.
- Demi Moore as Julianna "Jules" Van Patten, the "party girl" of the group who lives beyond her means. She will have her things repossessed and her credit cards cancelled.
- Mare Winningham as Wendy Beamish, the wealthy one in the bunch who enjoys helping others.
|Billy:||The wet look is in, asshole.|
|Alec:||That's Mr. Asshole to you.|
|Kirby:||I always thought we'd be friends forever.|
|Kevin:||Yeah, well forever got a lot shorter all of a sudden.|
|Kevin:||[to Kirby] Love, love, you know what love is? Love is an illusion created by lawyer types like yourself to perpetuate another illusion called marriage to create the reality of divorce and then the illusionary need for divorce lawyers....|
|Kevin:||[to Alec] Marriage is a concept invented by people who were lucky to make it to 20 without being eaten by dinosaurs. Marriage is obsolete.|
|Billy:||I should have had a vasectomy at birth! Let me tell you something Al, you ever have boys, do them a favor and get them neutered straight away. If they ever knock up some little slut, they're the ones who're fucked! [to his wife] Fucked for life! I hate you, you little bitch!|
|Wendy:||No diet works. The only way to lose weight in the thighs is amputation.|
Note: Variations of the "Men, can't live with 'em " appeared in these films and TV shows:
- Night on Earth (1991) when Winona Ryder as Corky says, “Boys! Can’t live with ‘em, can’t shoot ‘em.”
- Grumpy Old Men (1993) when Burgess Meredith as Grandpa Gustafson says, “Kids! Can’t live with ‘em, can’t shoot ‘em.”
- True Lies (1994) when Tom Arnold as Gibs says, “Women! Can’t live with ‘em, can't kill 'em."
- On the detective dramedy MOONLIGHTING/ABC/1985-89 private eye David Addison (Bruce Willis) remarks, “Women: Can’t live with ‘em, can’t leave ‘em on the curb when you’re done with them.”
- On the sitcom MARRIED...WITH CHILDREN/FOX/1987-1997 Peg Bundy (Katey Sagal) says, “Men, God Love ‘em. They’re just children with a paycheck.” Peg’s neighbor Marcy Darcy (Amanda Bearce) once said, “I hate men. They’re stupid ignorant animals with stupid ignorant hobbies.”